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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH4/27/22 8:59 AM |
For me, gravel is about a fun and festive atmosphere, and enjoying the ride. Get me out into the countryside with minimal traffic and some like-minded cohorts, and I'm a happy camper!
I don't see where having the UCI involved is of any real benefit and the apparent collective yawn here makes me think I'm not alone. It's good that they haven't mandated any equipment restrictions...yet. If they don't, that will make it more interesting and it would be nice if they didn't stifle innovation for a change. I suspect that manufacturers will be pushing them in the direction of keeping it open.
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RCoapman
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
Posts: 5141
Location: Back in the snowy homeland4/27/22 11:15 AM |
I feel like "I don't see where having the UCI involved is of any real benefit" is a complete sentence in and of itself
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH4/28/22 6:15 AM |
Rob, that was my initial reaction when I heard that the UCI was considering getting into gravel racing. I can't think of another organization that's better at ruining a good thing.
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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 3236
Location: Midland, MI4/28/22 10:06 AM |
back in time
UCI Bans Cycling
Geneva, Switzerland. The Union Cycliste Internationale has responded to complaints regarding their technical policies with a broad program to be implemented over the next two years. In a press conference hosted by UCI President Hein(ey) Verbruggen and his chief technical officer Giezer Altfahrt, the details of the program were unveiled. "We had to develop a coordinated program to deal with the ongoing technical issues in our sport," said Verbruggen in outlining his multipoint plan. The key elements are as follows:
Citing concerns about detached retinas, spinal injuries, saddle sores, and erectile disfunction, the UCI will require improved vertical compliance in wheels and frames, and smoother road surfaces, including the elimination of all cobblestones. Verbruggen acknowledged that most of the spring Classics would have to be rerouted or canceled, but stated "this only shows our concern for rider safety." When asked about crashes caused by large groups of riders encountering road width changes and traffic islands, Hein(ey) said that "that is not under the control of the UCI, but we will demand that all courses are freshly paved" prior to races. In a related safety move, all courses with descents greater than 30 meters will be eliminated.
To improve frame compliance, Altfahrt cited a research program to build frames from recycled milk jugs. The resulting Eco-flex (TM) frame "will be the required material for all bicycles used in UCI sanctioned races, in a 'double diamond' configuration, of course," noted Altfarht. Also under consideration is requiring a minimum 120 cm wheel base, but concerns about cranks hitting the ground due to increased frame flex may reduce this number to 110 cm.
Changes in wheel construction will probably be the most controversial element of this program. Citing concerns about stiffness and injuries to extremities caught in rotating wheels, Altfahrt announced that spokes would be banned. "I want to be specific. This means spokes of any length, any diameter, and any cross section profile," exclaimed the doddering technocrat. Noting that disc wheels would also be banned due to the aerodynamic advantage offered riders, Altfahrt said he would leave it to manufacturers to figure out how to build non-spoked, non-disc wheels. "These are smart people," he said. "They'll figure it out."
When pressed, Verbruggen emphatically denied that these technical changes would effectively eliminate cycling: "People who say that are full of Bull S***, and this should serve as a message to all that the UCI is serious about preserving the sport."
As an adjunct to these new technical requirements, Verbruggen stated that the UCI was imposing a ban on the testing new equipment by professional riders. "Our racers aren't going to be guinea pigs. Let the cyclo-tourists be the testing grounds for all that Bull S***, they seem to be able to afford it. Besides, this will save the teams quite some money; not having to always have the latest and greatest hardware." When reporters noted that teams got their equipment free from their cycling industry sponsors, Verbruggen stated that ""People who say that are full of Bull S***. This is the only way that teams from Sri Lanka, Borneo, and our other targeted development markets will be able to have a level playing field."
When asked how the UCI intended to pay for all the research associated with this proposal, Verbruggen responded "It's really quite simple. We have a two part plan. Our accountants tell us that by fining Cinelli a sum equal to whatever they asked for in their Spinaci lawsuit plus an amount equal to three times our legal expenses, we can generate quite some revenue. Of course, to be fair we would impose the same fines on anyone else who sues us over these regulations. At the same time we will cancel all drug testing. It doesn't work anyway, what with these sneaky doctors and riders always finding a way around it. Since our other proposals are aimed purely at rider health, we consider this a fair balance."
Response from industry and the pro ranks was predictable. Riders, known for throwing a leg over whatever sponsors provide, had no particular complaints about the technical aspects. When asked about the lack of doping controls in the future, Richard Virenque said "An equal chance for all. Isn't that what sport is all about?"
The loss of the pro ranks as a test bed for new equipment didn't seem to faze Shimano. Their spokesperson noted that Shimano had a long history of doing this anyway. She cited the large platform DuraAce pedal as the most recent example, with BioPace and HyperDrive showing a well established track record. Campagnolo said they would meet the "no tests by pros" policy with their new "announce but don't deliver" program, as exemplified by the Record steel seat post and ProFit pedals in 1998. MAVIC had no official comment but one of their technical types was heard to complain that "No spokes? No disc? No such wheel is possible!"
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH4/28/22 3:09 PM |
Cute!
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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 6890
Location: Maine4/28/22 3:46 PM |
Who cares?
I suspect UCI just wants to monetize the interest in gravel riding, and the popularity of some gravel races. I’m not particularly interested in gravel races, so I could really care less.
D2R2 at least used to be considered the mother of all gravel rides. The first time I rode it, I made a course mistake and cut off about 10 miles (very common in this event). They recorded times at the finish, so when I checked in I said I cut the course so my time was not representative. The woman at the table rolled her eyes and said “nobody cares”….:)
That to me is the spirit of gravel riding and UCI involvement is irrelevant.
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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX4/28/22 4:44 PM |
"UCI just wants to monetize the interest"
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH4/29/22 7:12 AM |
I'm 100% with you Dan!
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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 3236
Location: Midland, MI4/30/22 2:14 PM |
Police
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so I could really care less.
Grammar police checking in. If you could care less, how much less? A lot less, or just a little bit less? Or is it that you really COULDN'T care less, in which case your disinterest in the subject is noted :)
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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 6890
Location: Maine4/30/22 2:25 PM |
Colloquial usage
Everyone knows what it means except apparently you. :)
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH5/3/22 7:09 AM |
True, but being an attorney, you certainly understand the importance of precise language. As someone who writes and edits instructions for a living, I definitely do and it pains me to see how language usage in the US has deteriorated in recent years. Although Kerry made the comment above, I understand the compulsion to occasionally try to correct common mistakes, whether they're colloquialisms or not.
Heck, I edit
everything
I read, in my head!
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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 3236
Location: Midland, MI5/4/22 10:14 AM |
Policing
So when people want to say that they are changing course but say they want to take a different tact, do we all just accept it? Or if someone says your late? Or if they want to ask a question about there bike? Or if they want to know what to do if a bike gets a scratch in it's paint.
The list goes on and on and OCD types like me hear fingernails on the blackboard every time.
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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX5/4/22 10:40 AM |
All together now:
"Get off my bike's lawn!"
I'll head up the Chorus [No, not the groupo..]
;)
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH5/5/22 7:58 AM |
Kerry, there are hundred's, no, thousand's of examples.
Do we call this hyperapostrophication? ;-)
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LeeW
Joined: 13 Jan 2004
Posts: 453
Location: near Baltimore, MD5/6/22 7:47 AM |
I can appreciate the points from Kerry and Brian. I worked as an engineer for 37 years in various roles, with one of them involving 3 years functioning as a science advisor/quality assurance person. As such I was responsible for signing off on any technical report put out by over 40 tech projects under my cognizance. I could count hundreds of tech reports where I spent significant time editing and rewriting vague, imprecise, or inaccurate descriptions from engineers who were documenting measurements, modeling and simulation, or problem analyses. I was used to noting improper grammar or sentence structures in everything I read.
That said, I have to wonder how many improper usages arise from people hastily dictating into the magic mike on their smartphones and not rigorously going back to correct the frequent AI misuses that result?
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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 3236
Location: Midland, MI5/6/22 8:57 AM |
Hyper
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hyperapostrophication
I love it!
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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX5/6/22 9:09 AM |
2 things, English VS American. Being that my wife is a Brit I am subject [not a subject ;)] to correction frequently.
Also, poor use of grammar is something I am not too terrible with. [see how I did that?]
Sometimes, and in my case there is decent grey matter and poor academic development from lack of opportunity.
What I mean is I quit high school 2nd week of 10th grade. And that was after 8-10th grade of being so absent @ 50% physical disposition at most. Today a parent/parents would have legal trouble as a result. My single parent had more liquid trouble unfortunately.
Point being, I am academically uneducated, and have self learned [not taught] for the most part, self assimilated?
Thus folks may scratch their heads deciphering my drivel from time to time [all the time]. ;)
Observationally [we make up words too] In the case of folk with degrees, especially technical, focus for the learning process has targets. Which may not have included much focus on collegiate english/grammar.
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH5/7/22 6:35 PM |
I'm just a recovering QA/QC engineer, turned writer/editor. There's no hope for me.
BTW, I'm an engineer by title only, not by education. I've also been a sales manager when the only person I managed was myself. That's why I have zero faith or interest in titles.
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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 3236
Location: Midland, MI5/8/22 10:52 AM |
To quote (probably) Winston Churchill when he was admonished about some grammatical issue: "Poor grammar is something up with which I will not put." (To the "never end a sentence with a preposition 'rule'")
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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 6890
Location: Maine5/8/22 11:27 AM |
Actually the quote attributed to Churchill (I have no idea if he ever said it or anything like it) was complaining about enforcement of the rule by an editor - there are many versions, such as “this is the sort of bloody nonsense [or pedantry] up with which I will not put.” I have read no version where he was complaining about poor grammar.
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH5/8/22 7:36 PM |
I have never met anyone who actually speaks in that manner (no prepositions at the end of sentences), not even English teachers. While sometimes it's reasonably easy to do, at other times it requires linguistic gymnastics that are confusing to many people. It seems pointless to go through that effort just to make yourself difficult to understand. English is truly an f-ed up language.
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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19083
Location: PDX5/8/22 7:48 PM |
Yoda? ;)
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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 5101
Location: Nashua, NH5/9/22 7:40 AM |
Can't say I've met him...
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