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This Week In Politics: Monday, March 5, 2018
 

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

3/4/18 8:47 AM

This Week In Politics: Monday, March 5, 2018

I'm half making a joke out of the confusion. But only half joking.

Let's see, the President's closest advisor is a 29 y.o. public relations ex-model. I'm not joking.

But that's so last week. Your turn.

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Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 1131
Location: South of Heaven

3/23/18 10:02 AM

seismograph oscillations

I just came to the realization, each time the President signs his name, it resembles a seismic monitor reading of a massive political earthquake is coming. I think it symbolizes how perpetually chaotic his presidency has been - a constant tornado of trouble.

- JS

P.S. In addition to analyzing handwriting, I do tea leaves readings, too. ;-)

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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Location: Nashua, NH

3/23/18 10:23 AM

He's truly the John Hancock of his day

Well, minus the class, intelligence, civility, dedication to country...the list goes on.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: Portland, OR

3/23/18 10:48 AM

John Bolton appointment made my brain go here:

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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
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Location: Midland, MI

3/24/18 7:50 AM

Fighting in the war room

Whatever happened to the rumored "suicide pact" between Kelly, Mattis, & McMaster that if one of them went, the other two would quit? Tough talk but no action or just wishful thinking?

I do have a copy of Dr. Stangelove and every time the conspiracy theorists start spouting, I remind them that Jack D. Ripper tells us that the Russians are putting substances in our water to drain our vital bodily fluids. Some even get the joke.

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

3/24/18 9:34 AM

The thing about resignations or firings is DJT finds reprehensible replacements.

Bolton is a highest level cynic and he is going to push Trump to war. And it's turning into "the sooner the better." Please history prove me wrong.

Kelly, Mattis, & McMaster? Maybe their sense of duty ultimately meant more than making a statement.

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walter
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: metro-motown-area

3/24/18 9:05 PM

but...

...you got your SC appointment and your guns.

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April
Joined: 13 Dec 2003
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3/25/18 7:22 AM

War is always bad for business. I hope the Presidentís supports, especially the rich ones, enjoy watching a nice chunk of their paper money evaporated last week at the prospect of trade war and real war!!

When was the last time DJT talked about the stock market? Maybe heíll mention it again before the midterm election?

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Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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3/25/18 9:26 AM

"War is always bad for business"

Sweeping generalizations like that are just that.

Hitler's fiscal policy was good for the German economy.

Likewise, the same was true for the USA, with many pre ad post WWII benefits and for Europe, too, with the Marshall Plan.

I could take the time to list many more micro-economic examples, or specific business examples that counter your claim.

-JS

P.S. I'm not advocating war and its many obvious downsides. There are many better ways to improve business/economic outcomes than war.

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April
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3/25/18 6:50 PM

In what way was Hitlerís (war related) fiscal policy good for Germany?

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KerryIrons
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3/26/18 2:59 PM

Fiscal stimulus

The heavy government spending to build the Nazi war machine was a major economic stimulus and got the economy rolling. Not a sustainable strategy (as we have seen over and over in the USA) but the war started before the hoax could be exposed. It is widely recognized that ramped up war preparation government spending is when finally put an end to the Great Depression. The huge deficits run up by the US during WWII were "paid down" by a combination of rapid economic growth and inflation.

This whole thing is the subject of many PhDs in economics.

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April
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3/30/18 1:48 PM

fiscal stimulus, with or without the war

"The huge deficits run up by the US during WWII were "paid down" by a combination of rapid economic growth and inflation"

The economic growth was for the rebuilding of the ruin in Europe, which the US being the net gainer as there's zero competition from the war torn countries over there. The UK, as a contrast, did not "grow stronger" from that rebuilding OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY! Nor did Germany or Japan, who started the war.

War was just a convenient excuse to justify the massive fiscal stimulus. But only the winner gets to "paid down" the debt of that stimulus, by wiping out any competition from the loser. It's a brutal form of competition.

North Korea isn't an economical competition to the US economy. China is.

So war with N. Korea, even without nuclear weapon, will NOT benefit the US. A trade war with China will only have one winner. I wonder how much the average American have the confidence the US will come out a winner on that war.

Right now, DJT is still just buffing on both potential wars. But both N Korea and China leadership know that. They also have the advantage over DJT that they don't need to be concern about support of their people, both being authoritarian countries.

Xi had just completed his consolidation of power. Perhaps DJT will use the potential war as a way to get his second term too, just like Bush Jr.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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3/30/18 2:11 PM

"Perhaps DJT will use the potential war as a way to get his second term too, just like Bush Jr."

That had occurred to me unfortunately. I have hopes these old tricks are no longer the best tricks...


Is it too much to hope this could be his most un GOP GOPness? Then again he is like the weather, don't like it... Wait a few minutes, It will probbly change.


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dfcas
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: hillbilly heaven

3/30/18 4:12 PM

I fear he would start a war to take the attention off the investigation.

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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
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3/30/18 9:47 PM

Wagging

For reference see: Wag The Dog. Great movie.

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daddy-o
Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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Location: Springfield

3/31/18 5:55 AM

But where can he whip up something quick and winnable?

Syria? Even his supporters would say WTF.
Iran? Popular for offended boomers, tough sell otherwise, our Sunni friends might chip in.
NK? Goodbye Seoul, wreck the tech economy.
Africa? Political Islam is growing there, his "shitholes" assessment/immigration.

Africa.

Let's hope a war is decided to be too much leverage for the midterms. #cynic

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walter
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3/31/18 6:16 AM

african conflict

i hear Nambia [sic] and Wakanda are really not keen on each other.

#maga #trumpsteaks #artofthedeal

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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: Maine

3/31/18 2:05 PM

Pruitt's low rent district

Love Pruitt renting a room near the capitol from a energy lobbyist for the "market rate" of $50 per night. Ever try to book a hotel room there? $400 you're doing good. Dunno what it costs to lease a condo, but I'm guessing it's more than the ~$1000 per month he was paying.

Wait, it's owned by the lobbyist's wife! No problem!

These guys are awesome.

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Jesus Saves
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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Location: South of Heaven

3/31/18 8:38 PM

Kerry's summary got it right. However, I have a small niggle with his assessment of it not being sustainable. If Hitler (or Hirohito) was successful, then Germany (or Japan) would have reaped huge and sustainable economic rewards with the expansion of its empire - much like the Roman Empire and British imperialism. Of course that did not happen, so in hindsight, yes, naturally, it was unsustainable, post-hoc.

"The economic growth was for the rebuilding of the ruin in Europe..."

In part, but the United States benefited in the run up to and entering the war as well as the post-war rebuilding. Pre & during war, the USA benefited with a large investment in research and development, a much greater % of spending per GDP than the current and past few decades. Additionally, USA firms learned how to manufacture much more efficiently, which gave the USA a worldwide competitive advantage, economically, post war.

In that respect to, Germany and Japan benefited, most conspicuously from the war, many years later - post recovery and reparations, as they have become eventual economic powerhouses, for the same reasons the US did so in more immediate fashion (efficiency and r&d).

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