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Lynskey R265 Ultegra Disc Road Bike
 

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
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Location: PDX

3/6/17 10:59 AM

Lynskey R265 Ultegra Disc Road Bike

In case anyone has a Ti GAS episode in force:

$2750.00 plus shipping cost of some sort for oversize. With current 25% off. MSRP: $6,099.99

Lynskey R265 Ultegra Disc Road Bike

Search Item # YB-R265UD


In case anyone need a push, that is a great price. The spindly chainstays would cause this Clyde pause though...

Or the 410 non disk with non tapered fork ala old school for $2300.00 Even has 6800 brakes and cranks usually missing at that price point.

And threaded BB too. ;)

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dddd
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Location: NorCal

3/6/17 8:09 PM

With complete-bike prices, I break it down first, gruppo, wheels, cockpit and frameset. Whole bikes often aren't the bargains that one might expect with a package-deal as such.
It comes down to the value of the frameset, which for current and cutting-edge bikes can be really high.
...And a lot of high-end bikes come with comparatively ho-hum wheels.

I've paid as little as $850 for a new, but non-current, "Douglas" Titanium complete bike with 105 gear. It's my favorite "winter" bike. And I've paid as little as $500 for a Merckx EX Titanium with well-used Dura-Ace 7700 still in perfect working condition. Both bike's frames made by Litespeed, 15-20 years ago.

You were referring to Nashbar? Any possibility that these bike's frames are a down-spec bulk purchase by the Performance conglomerate? Is the MSRP a realistic figure in other words?

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Sparky
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3/6/17 8:54 PM

"Is the MSRP a realistic figure in other words?"

I guess you could look at the Lynskey site. I suspect the Nashbar model may no align with the Lynskey site one to obfuscate comparison shopping?

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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3/7/17 6:16 AM

Nashbar does inflate MSRPs

However, they do have some legitimately great deals on frames and complete bikes.

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Sparky
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3/7/17 10:40 AM

Being a bigger rider myself, I gotta ask. Do any other Clydesdale size riders see what I see when I look at the 'to the small' size chain stays on the non flagship Lynskey offerings??

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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Location: Nashua, NH

3/7/17 12:09 PM

The ProCross frameset keeps calling to me

It's a 2015, so it must have been somewhat ahead of the curve when it came out, as it still ticks off all of the important features on current designs (disks, through axles, huge tire clearance) and the 2017 frames seem to be identical. The geometry is what I need; I just wonder why it didn't sell.

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Sparky
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3/7/17 12:40 PM

The through axles might scare some off. I still use the 9/10mm QR on my disc bikes. I have not had any issue with XT/XTR QRs on anything.

I did stupidly put some lite-weight QRs on the Roubaix Disc bike, they were Spesh and seemed like they belonged. Not, kept getting the front wheel having the disc get noisy. reset wheel and fine, until a hard grab...

But I like moving my wheels across bike, but also did not want the added expense. So I just built up some XT and XTR Disc Wheels when I stater up the road/disc thing. Stuck with 10s triples for the most part as they all visit the woods too.

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Brian Nystrom
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3/7/17 1:27 PM

I only have disks on my MTBs currently

However, I have two sets of 29er wheels with thru axles that could be used on a gravel bike. Chances are that I'll build some lighter wheels for gravel eventually (28 spoke with lighter rims), but for now the MTB wheels would work fine with appropriate tires, plus they've got tubeless rims. Hmmm, that eliminates one expense in building up the frameset.

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Sparky
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3/7/17 2:15 PM

Ti CX/gravel 'dual/tri use' makes a lot of sense to me. Except if a too high a BB. Gravel bikes for what I have done off & piste seem less weirdly with a much lower BB than any CX bike I have had. Of course if you like single tracking said dual purpose bike, the higher BB is probably better, Yada

re 28 spoke disc wheels. I do not know how much you weigh. But I built 2x 28h CX75 wheels with Sapim Race and CL25 Pacenti Rims. I rode down the street, tested a hard stop. I came back in the shop as re-laced the disc side front 3x.

Rode a few rides on them that way and I traded them for a mint Chili Con Kermit frame and parts.

I just did not like the reverse windup upon braking for my girth in my estimation. The 3x help noticeable, being that the front taked on most of the braking load. If they won't be on pavement much with sticky tires perhaps a non issue.

The 32x set I built after [and kept] is SL25 rims, 3x 32h with a combination of Laser and Race spokes. Race trailing DS rear and leading disc side front and back and the rest Lasers. It was build curiosity thing and has been solid. And super solid on hard braking.

So solid my non disc 28h wheels since only have 7 trailing rear DS Race [14/15] and Lasers [14/17] for the other 49 spokes. Cost 40.00 more in spokes to turn mid 1600 gram wheels into low 1500 gram wheels IIRC the math correctly.


BTW, did a 27.5 3x 32h disc tubeless set. All 14/15 spokes.

The Disc Strong will fit a 2.1 27.5. But I'd want to wrap the fork and stays with Kapton tape by the edges of the tire in case the mud exceeds 4mm so I don't machine off any powder coat. ;) These are on my Gary 29er. And I like the 29er a lot more with the setup. Feels like an El Camino instead of a F250 now.

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Sparky
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3/7/17 2:28 PM

ProCX Lynskey 66mm BB drop. Seems great middle ground. You put the 40C TLR WTBs on and it oughta bring it up plenty for woods and some single track use.


Brian, you have an opinion as to the down tube being helical? Just style or any useful function??


The ProCx looks to have a more road front end, at least in the big size. 72.8/45mm rake. Shortish trail, no?

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Brian Nystrom
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3/7/17 4:37 PM

I hadn't thought about...

...using different leading and trailing spokes, but it makes sense particularly in the front, where the only torque is from braking. Interesting.

As for the trail on the Lynskey, it's actually a bit more than on my Pinarello CX and I'm fine with the way that bike handles on dirt. The HTA is steeper on the Lynskey (72.8 vs. 72) and the rake is shorter (45 vs. 50), but the trail is ~5.85 vs. 5.79. The BB height on the Pinarello is listed at 27.5, which sounds low for a 'cross bike and is .8 cm lower than the Lynskey, so that could be something to think about. Pinarello doesn't give a BB drop figure for it, so it's not necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison, since the BB height could be measured/calculated using different size tires.

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Sparky
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3/7/17 5:29 PM

"I hadn't thought about using different leading and trailing spokes"

I'd been doing lighter NDS and fronts for all my builds previously. Then it occurred to me leading DS are not doing much as compared to the trailing. Never broke a spoke on the rear with the 14/15DS_14/17NDS mix on a few wheelsets. Oddly I lost a front Revo in year 12-13 or something on my first set I built as a beginner.

My first set with Revo NDS and 14/15 I built in the 90s are still in service. Oddly, only once did I have to put a spoke wrench on them. And it was after I put them back on the road after two seasons of single track with 45C FireCX tires. [while I had no mtn bike]. The rims are Aerohead [non machined] and I did not get through the ano on the brake surfaces for a long time to my surprise. Not bad for 20.00 each on the rims new originally.

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Kramer
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
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Location: Richmond, VA

3/8/17 10:29 AM

Poor tire clearance

The Lynskey that started the thread has terrible tire clearance. 25F/28R.

Since we are talking mail order bikes check out this one, Ti, 40C tires, hydro discs, etc.


http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/disc-brake-roadbikes/centurypro-ti-discbrake-road.htm

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Sparky
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3/8/17 11:13 AM

"terrible tire clearance" About the same as a disc Roubaix. A limiting factor for a Swiss army bike. ;)

That MotoPecan looks like a pretty good value. And looking close at the wheels, definitely better than what came on my SL4 Disc Roubaix. And the MotoP has 6800 cranks instead of the usual Gossamer on bikesdirect stuff.. Not to mention the hyd brakes/STIs.

But I found this: 50 cm, 22.18 lbs from the factory, without pedals. My Strong with XT triple and 27mm Paves was 20.5 with pedals and is a 60 basically. It is quite a bit porkier these days with the pannier and rear rack et al. ;)

MotoP BB a little high for all but barriers with 40s. ;) Although you'd be running 33s for CX/barriers probably. The Low BBs of 75-80 seems to be considered Optimum for Gravel.

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Nick Payne
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
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Location: Canberra, Australia

3/8/17 2:00 PM

I just purchased one of these, along with its associated fork: http://www.kinesisbikes.co.uk/Catalogue/Models/Adventure/Tripster-ATR-V2

The frame and fork can fit 700x40 with fenders or 700x45 without, but I'm going to run 650bx48 plus fenders. For wheels I bought some DT Swiss XM1501 27.5 MTB wheels and fitted Compass 650bx48 file tread tubeless tyres. Still in the process of building it up.

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Sparky
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3/8/17 4:25 PM

I guess you gotta decide what works for you BB height wise when a bike fits a 40c. My Strong is 80mm. The Moto Pecan 65mm, Nike's sited new build 70mm.

Are there dropout options Nick for that Frame? Other than the Thru Axle setup, curious...

Then of course the axle/crown distance can/will move it depending on ones choices and what it was originally designed to use at the spec listed, yada.

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Nick Payne
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3/9/17 3:03 PM


quote:
Are there dropout options Nick for that Frame?

Yes, the dropouts are aluminium inserts held in place with grub screws, and according to the web site are switchable between 135mm QR or 142mm thru axle.

<img src="http://www.kinesisbikes.co.uk/imagecache/17fbc9b8-6962-4f16-af10-a6b40110e4a0_4000x1375.jpg" height="275" width="800">

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Brian Nystrom
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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Location: Nashua, NH

3/10/17 1:44 PM

That's a very interesting framset

Did you happen to weigh the frame before you built the bike? I see that the weight section of their spec chart is blank.

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Nick Payne
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
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Location: Canberra, Australia

3/11/17 8:04 PM

No, I don't have an accurate set of scales for anything heavier than 300g, so I didn't weigh it before I started assembly. Someone on the weight weenies forum built up the previous version of the frame, which is pretty much identical other than not having the flat disc mounts and thru axles, and they reported that the complete bike weighed 8.9kg without fenders: http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136470

Edit: I just noticed when scrolling further down the weight weenies link that he gives a breakdown of the weights of everything:

    Frame: 1532g
    Uncut fork: 498g

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