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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19068
Location: PDX

3/2/13 7:39 PM

Raleigh Sojourn

Stopped at the LBS I used to work at to say hello.

They had a Sojourn prepping for a customer. What a nice bike I thought. We popped it on the scale out of curiosity and...

33.4 lb for the large. Holy smokes, lost my thinking it was nice at that point... 28-9 maybe...

My 1984 Bridgestone 400 is 23 lbs with clipless pedals for Pete's sake...

Pete, you there? ;)



http://www.raleighusa.com/bikes/steel-road/commutertouring/sojourn-13/

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KerryIrons
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Posts: 3234
Location: Midland, MI

3/2/13 8:11 PM

Varsity territory

The late '60s Schwinn Varsity weighed 35 lbs. or 38 lbs. with those massive chromed steel fenders. Unless that rear rack is WAY heavy this bike needs to go on some kind of diet.

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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 6884
Location: Maine

3/2/13 8:18 PM

Weight's OK

My Tout Terrain is a similar type bike and weighs about that, though it has a little more stuff like Rohloff, Schmidt generator hub & lights, 2.0 tires. A bike like that you want to be bulletproof, and you often have 10-20 lbs of crap in bags anyway (or more if touring). You get rolling you don't notice the weight much. I love the bike. These are nothing like a Bridgestone 400. You want light or a road bike, this ain't for you.

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Pat Clancy
Joined: 13 Jan 2004
Posts: 1353
Location: Manchester, CT

3/3/13 11:44 AM

My IF is relatively light

My 52cm IF touring bike weighs 28.5 lbs with all of the following mounted:

- rear rack
- fenders
- two bottle cages
- frame pump
- SPD pedals
- Selle Anatomica Clydesdale saddle (don't know the weight spec, but it's distinctly heavier than my usual Terry Fly Ti)

Not bad.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19068
Location: PDX

3/3/13 11:55 AM

The rack was Aluminum. The wheelset looked like a culprit for some pork, but if any kind of touring is the plan the heavy wheels should be a plus. I wonder if the dish with a disc makes for a little less stable wheel. I wonder if if may have 135mm rear spacing.

The toe clips which where not bolted on yet are chro-moly and steel bolts. Cool in a way, but more pork. ;) And a Brooks is always pork. The one I have is almost 3 lbs, and is 30 years old too.

It sure looked like a nice functional well though out bike.

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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 6884
Location: Maine

3/3/13 12:48 PM

more pork

Well, my Tout Terrain has a integral stainless steel rack, bombproof wheels (Peter White asked how much I might carry for purposes of building the wheels, and I think I said 40 lbs), and a Berthoud saddle (at least as heavy as a Brooks, I'd guess). At some point you just don't care about weight. Actually, the only time I really think about the weight is when I have to turn it around by hand from a rack or something. Oh, and when it's loaded up, tllting it to throw a leg over can be interesting...

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Dave B
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 4511
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

3/3/13 1:13 PM

My Candidate

I just weighed my new 56 cm Surly Pacer at 30.0 pounds fully ready to ride with:

8-speed 105 triple drivetrain and Retroshift brifters
Tektro R539 "long reach" caliper brakes
Shimano R501 wheels and 700-28 Vittoria Randonneur tires (495 grams each!)
Easton EA50 seatpost and Avocet O2 40M saddle
FSA Orbit XLII headset
FSA Wing bars and Forte stem
Shinamo M515 SPD pedals
Blackburn rear rack
Performance rack pack w/2 tubes, mini-pump and tools
Cat-Eye cyclometer
Planet Bike Blazer LED headlight and Cat Eye rear flasher
1/2 full large water bottle.

Not too bad considering what's on it but certainly a very noticable difference from my other sub 20 pound road bikes.

Removing the rack, rackpack and substituting light road tires would easily get it under 25 pounds but this is a utility bike.

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Steve B.
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Posts: 769
Location: Long Island, NY

3/3/13 4:37 PM

The weight's not that heavy for that style of bike, equipped as it is.

- 36 spoke wheels and I'd bet they are not Open Pro's, but something much wider and heavier.

- Fenders

- The Brooks alone is probably 2 lbs.

My Miyata City Liner tourer with rack, pump, tools, NO fenders, NO Brooks, weighs in at 33. Even with a set of 32 spoke wheels and 23mm tires, it stripped down to no less then 26 lbs.

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Andy M-S
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 3377
Location: Hamden (greater New Haven) CT

3/4/13 12:08 PM

Brookses

A B17 standard is about the heaviest non-sprung saddle Brooks makes, and comes in at 520g. Just over one pound.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19068
Location: PDX

3/4/13 1:15 PM

I may eventually shake the weight weenie outta me. I am tolerant of bikes over 20, even approaching 25 lb., after all... 30 lb. barrier may take until I am over 60 frankly. ;)

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lrzipris
Joined: 04 Mar 2004
Posts: 532
Location: Doylestown, PA

3/4/13 2:15 PM

Dave, it's a good thing that you only fill half the water bottle!

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Dave B
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 4511
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

3/4/13 4:41 PM


quote:
...30 lb. barrier may take until I am over 60 frankly....


quote:
Dave, it's a good thing that you only fill half the water bottle!


Well, 60 came and went 10 years ago so I guess a 30 pound bike is now tolerable but the 1/2 full bottle is all I can carry to keep from going over it :)

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dan emery
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 6884
Location: Maine

3/4/13 8:04 PM

60

Sparky, you mean it will take you that long before you're strong enough to ride one? Really, like Dave said, it's a utility bike. I have one because I use it for commuting and errands (including grocery shopping) year round. I don't use it for time trials or centuries. Don't really see what age has to do with it.

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Sparky
Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 19068
Location: PDX

3/4/13 8:07 PM

Maturity, not age.. ;)

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